My Iron is for sale on Bikesales and here presumably is another scam artist (or the easiest buyer in history since he doesn't haggle or want to see it).

How do they rip the cash back if Paypal has approved it. Or does something else happen prior to the payment as I'm sure they only want cash, not the bike?

His message:

Ok just wanted to make sure nothing has been left out
I will purchase at your listed price.Payment will be sent using PayPal and ill handle the PayPal surcharge if they are any.Let me know if you are ok with this,so that I can arrange for pick up as i wont be able to do it myself as i am out of town at the moment.In the meantime,can you send me more pictures?
Regards
Robert

they have it organised so that there is no delay for them between payment and pickup,
scenario ; you decide to sell your bike to this scum,he strings you along for a few days, then tells you he can do the deal on a certain day because that's the day he can get transport arranged.
he tells you payment to Paypall will be made on that day and transport will be there to pick it up same day, you give him the ok and address, transport rocks up either moments before or after he tells you he's paid Paypall, you go great, money should be in, he's paid Paypall with a dodgy credit card , while old mate he's sent around has loaded your goods and shot through.
now i could be wrong but have been told there is a delay in the processing of upto 24hrs of credit cards to Paypall , especially for overseas transactions, also correct me if i'm wrong , but Paypall only pay to your Paypall account, so even if they have payed you , they will retract the money from your account if the credit card was fraudulent so there was never any money to start with but now they have your goods.
anyway that's what i've heard as to how they do these scams

yep they set up fake paypal accounts with dodgey credit cards...it all looks legit until you find paypal tells you there is no money forth coming...

Make em do a direct deposit or COD.....remember it's your bike....your rules if they want it....

Cheers

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Yep it goes back to the old saying that money talks and bullshit walks.

I went though the same when I sold my last bike at Bikepoint my inbox was flooded by e-mails all wanting to buy my bike some even offering more than the listed price but all wanting to pay by Paypal and all of them was bullshit scams, so from now on if I use Bikepoint or Bikesales I will not be adding my e-mail address it will be phone number only and it will be a cash sale only as well once the money is in my hand they can take the bike I won't even take a bank cheque they can be cancelled as well.

 If someone really wants your bike and if they have not got the funds on the day make them give you a deposit give them a couple days to get the full amount in cash to me it's the safest way and if worse comes to worse and they don't come back you still got your bike plus the deposit cheers.

Had my last bike for sale on Bikesales, and had the same paypal scam tried on me. I asked the person (who only contacted me via email) for his phone number so we could talk - contact stopped straight away. My Missus (who is a lot smarter than me...) traced the emails through various servers to a home account in......Nigeria. Nuff said.

Taffy, don't even go there mate.

Keep it Taff.

Hi Taffy,
Have a read of this thread fromMonster forum mate.........seems they try everywhere..........
Brian


Hi guys,

Not Ducati related, but thought you guys can shed some light. I am selling my car on carsales.com.au and got this message, I believe it is some sort of scam;

"Thanks for the prompt response..I am ready to buy it now as a birthday gift for my generous uncle and i am at sea at the moment as i am a marine engineer and due to the nature of my work, phone calls making and visiting of website are restricted but i squeezed out time to check this advert and send you an email regarding it. I really want the car to be a surprise for my uncle so i wont let him know anything about the car until it gets delivered to him, i am sure he will be more than happy with the car. I insisted on paypal because i don't have access to my bank account online as i don't have internet banking, but i can pay from my paypal account, as i have my bank a/c attached to it, i will need you to give me your paypal email address and the price so i can make the payments asap for the car and pls if you don't have paypal account yet, it is very easy to set up, go to www.paypal.com.au and get it set up, after you have set it up i will only need the e-mail address you use for registration with paypal so as to put the money through. I have a pick up agent that will come and pick the car up after i have made the payments..."

Has anyone ever tried selling something with the intention of not really selling it, just to pick up a scammer and try to beat them at there own game????

I have an ad running on bikesales.com for a friend selling a ST and have had around 9 bogus messages so far. All have had an Aussie mobile number and postcode attached. It's quite easy to recognise them as they ask dumbass questions like:

"Is it still for sale?"........... (of course shithead or I would have cancelled the ad.)

"Do you have any more pics of the bike???".... (what....6 pics isn't enough shithead!?)

"I'm happy to pay more than the asking price"........... (are you an idiot, shithead?!?)

"What condition is the bike in?"................ (Read the fucking ad shithead!!)

You don't need an MBA to work this out! These guys are just baiting you. They then build up a bit of a rapport with you to make you feel good, more emails means closer relationship. They almost ALWAYS will be "offshore" or "overseas" and almost always they have an "agent" who will collect your bike from you. How many bike-collection agents have you met? They usually want to pay by PayPal but no doubt some will use other similar methods. They probably fail 9 out of 10 times but 10% succes rate for a $20K Harley is not so bad a hit rate!  

When did YOU ever buy a $20K+ car or bike sight unseen???????????? It just doesn't happen in the real world.

These arseholes survive on the desperation of suckers like us who simply want a fair price for a fair Harley. Don't even respond to their stupid requests. If they are serious they will call you by phone and physically visit your place. That's when you could take a picture of you and them standing by your bike. The vast majority of bike buyers are legit. Let's us not treat them all like arseholes!

Still pisses me off though!!

Never accept ANY financial institution email that tells you that money is in your account. Far too easy to defraud. Only when you phone your bank (after checking that funds are IN your account by the Net) and then moved to another account for added safety would I part with my bike. 

Last year I got a fancy page via email from the ATO telling me that I had been overcharged on my Tax Return by $250 and that they needed my bank details to refund the cash. I knew it was a dud. I only paid $65 tax for the year!!!!!

 

 

 

  

 

I have had paypal for years (since 1999) my first internet transaction was paypal (part for computer from the states) that was back when paypal was only usa based (my account is still a usa account) I have never ever had a issue with it.

I prefer paypal with c card as your money is covered twice, like someone posted above just tell fiine and wait till money is cleared and in your bank before handing over goods if they dont want to do it tell them to piss off.