Maybe someone can help with this one? Much appreciated if so...

I have an Arai full face helmet that I purchased in Singapore in the early 2000's when I was working over there, with a Singapore Standards approval sticker on it. The Singapore Standards Approval is done just like it is here-- type test a helmet or three and if it meets the tests then stickers go on all of them.

This is a fair dinkum Arai, not a cheap copy, and it is type approved by the Singapore Standards Authorities, like the Australian Standards sticker we have here, only BLUE in colour. I am aware that the Aussie authorities do not recognise aprovals from other places and this is why I am asking for help.

I have heard that a copy of the  Aussie Standards stickers can be found at some swap meets etc from time to time, and I would like to get one to replace the Singapore approval sticker if possible, but the chance of me getting to a swap meet is Buckleys.

I know this is a big ask, but if anyone has a spare sticker that they could part with I would be happy to buy it, make a donation to your favourite charity, shout you a beer or three or point me in the right direction, if someone was willing to assist with this.

Just asking on the offhand chance someone may have a spare. thanks for your advise / consideration!

Regards,

V2Evo96

 

 

 

 

 

Hi, I have a spare helmet brand new THH open face with the original sticker on it. You can have it for $50.

Brother, I feel that you are playing with fire here…if something was to happen to you, the insurance company could not pay your claim, if they check the legality of your helmet…for me too big of a risk…Just my opinion…all the best

Fully agree Fangio....for the price of a helmut not worth the risk

thanks redline-- I have a Nolan N42 but every time I look at the $$$$ Arai sitting there useless it gives me the ch1ts. Sigh, I would only use it anyway under cetain conditions on long rides-- the Nolan works well just no FACE protection.

Fangio and Vmax-- thanks for the sanity check. I wrote a longer reply but lost it somehow, but the essence was that it is indeed not work the trickery even though the Arai would in no doubt be as compliant here as it is in Singers-- but if it doesn't have the label inside and was proven not to comply that's it for the insurance claim--no go!

I dips me lid brothers-- thanks for the well considered replies...request cancelled....

Look-- I'm stubborn and don't usually change my mind about things once the idea is locked in to the soft grey mattter, but when you think through the whole scenario of the costs of an accident and the repair bill no longer covered by the insurance company-- who would these days look for any angle to "get out of paying", for the sake of an approved lid it just as Fangio / Vmax said-- it's not worth it.

Besides I'd rather spend my $$$ on bits to add to my ride, not repairing it back to the state it was in before a cock up.... knock on wood...

I was told that they are only legal for five years from the date on the label inside...Don't know if it's right or not...Some one in here might know...

 

Cheers...Sparra

I got done at a RBT for having a non compliant helmet last year......What made it non compliant was no Global AS sticker on the back.....regardless of the tag inside. The helmet was a RJays sturgis which had somehow missed the sticker stage....3 points and $150....Cop told me that they watch out for the sticker if tailing a MC rider....

Bt

This is too fuckin funny listening to you lot crap on

Well hell, never mind... err- would someone please pass the popcorn?

To Pizzlin-- Well Done on that court win. I can't believe the arresting officer would go ahead and pursue that after being told it can't be won....

Now I know where I'm going wrong ,I'm going down to the Body Art shop and get one of those little silver things on my purple love helmet, then I'll be approved to ride.

My "outlaw" helmet has a sticker off a pushbike helmet, no problems with the fun squad so far and how much difference between it and a legal one? jackshit. My choice just like my choice of ride. Everyone to their own.

at the end of the day it boils down to one  thing ,  right or wrong , if you don't have the right stickers , your fucked !!!! pain in the arse .

www.zorros.net.au stock the x-rated Cannonball (which replaces the bushranger) Desperado and Skull cap helmets. None of these are ADR approved but they are available In Melbourne.

Just as a definitve answer to this post. After asking the manufacturers  the legal answer as a dealer is this.

You must have both the label sewn inside the helmet and the AS1698 sticker on the outside of the helmet to guarantee you wont be prosecuted. Both of these must be fully legible. (no worn or torn labels) There are 2 types of external As approval stickers the old chrome and 5 ticks sticker and the newer white As approval sticker. It doesnt matter which but the label on the inside also states a helmet model and this should correspond with your helmet type. In practise they rarely check but bike cops know whether your helmet is legit or not and if they are not sure they will check both labels and if its not all as above you will get a ticket. You can go to court but if the inner label is not fully legible you will be found guilty in the majority of cases. So your lid doesnt need to be knackered just either labels worn and you are liable to prosecution. It sucks but thats the legal position that as i understand it.

I didnt know these stickers were available and even if you could find one it will affect your legal and insurance situation if you get found out which in the event of an incident you almost certainly will.

In reality dont think that the helmets bought abroad are any different in any way they are not, its just that the Aussie importers have to pay for the standards test on each model which i understand can be as much as $10,000 per helmet shell. Most helmets have 2 shell sizes and this is why the range of helmets is limited here and also why helmets are so expensive compared to Europe and the US. The australian standards test is different to the ECE2205 but in practise its is no safer (IMHO)

I hope that answers the question.

Actually you will find that after a couple of years most helmets here (due to the sweat) have the inner label completely obscured. But yes you are quite right doesnt matter how good condition it is in its a bin job.

As messed up as it sounds if you get stopped by a difficult police officer and hes looking for a nick you are pretty buggered. the onus would i believe lie on you to prove in court it was the correct label which is almost impossible when you cant read it. The fact the label is there and you cant read it doesnt allow the court to check the helmet meets compliance. if they cant check it then in the eyes of the law here then it doesnt comply and therefore you are guilty of an offence.

Its certainly something to watch and i would recommend anybody getting a new helmet to apply some 3M scotchguard to the inner label to help protect it. Check a small part of the label first just to make sure it doesnt damage it.

Fuck me ..... just throw the helmet out , they are cheap to buy , compared to the price of the BIKE you ride . Any fine you get having an illegal helmet , could of brought a new one . Plus giving money to the fines dept ..is such a waste , could be better spent on bike parts , beer or nudie girls ..

oh well if i had 800 bucks ...sure i'll buy you a helmet  ,.... the comment wasnt direcet at you speedzter   ,it was more towards the start of the forum where guys were changing stckers around . With running a risk of fine , and maybe the helmet getting old , surely it would be much better just to go out and get anther helmet .

just for shits and giggles ...does a helmet have a shelf life , or one helmet can be passed down to your grandchildren ?

can any one fill me in on this ?

 

No shelf life provided all the stickers are visible as far as i am aware.

you can buy a lot of helmets for 800 bucks methinks

i agree completely it is actually having the reverse effect because you get to a point where even though people want to be law abiding theres just as much chance of being nicked if your legal or illegal. At that point people cease to worry about it and take the easier path which is normally illegal.

I recommend that if you buy a new helmet you 3m scotchguard the inner label its not much protection but it is something that should help it last a bit longer. You could also take a picture of the label and store it somewhere safe so when the label wears you have some proof of a legal legible label. All complete nonsense of course but it should help a bit.