White Smoke

  • Frank7214
    Frank7214
    15 years ago

    Low compression could be of concern.

  • The Don
    The Don
    15 years ago
    Hi Kymbo,
    Valve seals sound about right, as Frank says it would be a good idea to check compression as it's an easy job. just in case it's rings.
    I've got a comp gauge if you need one
    Regards,
    Cris
  • The Don
    The Don
    15 years ago
    Hi Dave,
    Biggest problem Shovels have in the combustion chamber is the shape of the piston. The dome shape promotes bad flame travel in the chamber and causes unburnt gasses. This is not only wasting power output but also creates pollution. The Evo addresses this problem with the flat top piston and a squish combustion chamber. Unless you want to modify the Shovel chamber, dual plugging is the cheapest way to address this. The usual way is to bore a plug hole that will take a short reach plug and use 2 coils (cause Kymbo has single fire) and wire up each coil to fire separately into each cylinder.
    Regards,
    Cris
  • houli
    houli
    15 years ago

    How bad is the smoke? is it only a whiff when you crack the throttle or is it like a corvette avoiding a Uboat, what year are your heads, early shovels never had seals, you could pull the bolt nearest your oil return drains from your heads, if the bolt is wet head gasket gone, compression test, then squirt oil into cylinder and recheck, check plugs for colour, check timing etc. do you have a 2 into 1 or sep exhausts? is it only 1 cylinder or both? so little info.

    Had a look at your picture, looks like an 80" it will have seals.

  • The Don
    The Don
    15 years ago
    Hi Guys,
    Dave's right on this one, It's a bit of over tinkering . The dual plug setup may be beneficial as far as power output for 89cu up, on a stock motor all it will really do is give you cleaner emissions. Looks cool though!!!, but it all depends, if you had the bucks it would probably be better to bathtup shape the combustion chamber, use flat top pistons and do some reshaping of the exhaust ports.
  • The Don
    The Don
    15 years ago

     Hi Dave and Kymbo,

    Just re-read the post and realised mine sounded stupid, in the first post when Dave asked "why dual plug" I should have realised he wasn't really asking for an explanation. And in my post I sound like I'm advocating the dual plug setup. I only meant to explain the reasons normally given for doing the conversion,  Apologies Dave, I should have known what you meant. As far as spending money on improvements on engine work goes, Shovels should be improved for reliability and long life, I still reckon a mildly improved Shovel (single fire, 8.5 to 1comp, good carby, lightened by removing useless stuff.) can take a stock Evo. Not that Shovels have anything to prove.

    Kymbo, for the life of me I can't think of a reason for the copper gasket/plate. It sure looks like it did nothing good as far as sealing goes. Bore looks ok, but without taking a few measurements I wouldn't know for sure. Get it checked and be sure. Pushrods incorrectly adjusted could be the reason for Comp loss. A good cleanup of gasket surfaces, if bore/ piston/rings are ok, maybe guides and seals and James gaskets. Could be back on the road in a couple of days. ( or we could go 101 cu in, nitrous, and lots of fresh underwear!!!!)

    Cheers

  • houli
    houli
    15 years ago

    2 oil drain holes in bottom of bore? what size is bore, what length cylinders gasket face to gasket face should be 5.330". Stroker cylinders have oil drain located lower, someone probably redrilled hole for stock stroke, check to see if oil ring goes down to top oil drain hole, seems to be a lot of oil around.

  • The Don
    The Don
    15 years ago
    Hi Kymbo,
    sounds a bit mix and match, but the components are quality stuff. Would have thought it would be better to have a stroker type plate at the cylinder base rather than at the cylinder/head area. Less pressure on the sealing area as only crankshaft pressure vs combustion chamber pressure, but it may be due to the oil holes on the cylinder( as Houli spotted there were 2 instead of the usual one, could be the issue?). If you decide to go the cylinder base way, use a base gasket as a template and make sure the oil return hole is clear.
    Regards,
    Cris
  • daddyracer56
    daddyracer56
    15 years ago

    hi, the old shovel design is not  the best  90 deg vavle angle  etc the top-end wear out  a  bit there short vavle  guides  &  top heavy pistons  ,etc        but if kept in good order etc,     if running solid tappets you have to keep the barrels & rocker box  & head bolts tight & do the pushrod adjustment  reg very important  + the timings  electric ign are good  set & forget  no points & bob weights  to wear-out , 

    they have  steel fire type head gaskets these days  better than the old blue fibre ones , don't waist your $ on twin plug  you can set some  squish up on & around the out side of the of the combustion chamber the outer dia of the piston,      the std comp is low on shovels  7.5 to 1 to not quite 8 to 1  very low  but machining the bottom of the barrel & the head you can put some squish into the old shovel its a trick i do from years ago, if your bike already has a cam in it  wich most shovels do  not many left with the std cam these days   ( i have a 80 sturgis with a std cam still in her ) theres  is enough room for vavle to piston clearance etc  normaly depends on cam size  of coarse , check & measure  the top barrel spigot height with the  head gasket  on  & then measure  the depth into the relief  spigot  into the head  you want about 0.010" to 0.020" clearance ,  as so the head is sitting on the gasket only ,   not the barrel spigot  ,    even you can weld the sides of the chamber to get a nice squish shelf   by a 1/4" to 1/2" wide  easy to do  but what ever always check with plastercine  for  clearance   you get squish & build up the comp ratio at the same time  watch out  EVOs  the old HEMI head   has big valves & ports std           doing mods is a good kick 

     they go very good setup like this   cheers  

  • daddyracer56
    daddyracer56
    15 years ago

    hi, as houli  mention about the two oil drains in the bottom of the barrel only strokers have this mod  ,,  they sleeve into  the old oil drain  & then drill a new one lower  ,         you  can  measure the stroke of the engine to see what  stroke lenght  you have    1979 later flywheels  have a 4 1/4 " stroke   & measure that the rings  don't  travel over the oil drain hole ,   cheers

  • The Don
    The Don
    15 years ago

     At least it isn't major surgery mate, the gear they've used is good stuff. Makes me wonder about other mods (tranny, Primary etc.) If it went pretty hard before and held together it may have been made up to be a sleeper. Not that Shovel owners ever did sneaky things like that

  • The Don
    The Don
    15 years ago
    Loooove the pipes mate, bike looks the goods .