I'm seriously thinking about using the Redline Oils in the bike. Heavy Shockproof in Gearbox, but confused what to use in Primary MTL or ATF. I know Redline is phuken expensive, but my way of think'in is I'm runn'n around on $30K bike (which I plan to keep for years) and for $40/litre for surety is small change.
Anybody had any experience with either of these. Which would be the better option.
Cheers in advance for any input.
I'm running Redline Shock heavy in the tranny and Redline Hi Temp ATF in the primary..... still have standard HD 20/50 in the engine
everything I've read/heard about Redline has been good.. including a reduction in wear on tranny
........................ been running with this since 30K and the 07 FXDB now done close to 50K
Heavy Shockproof in tranny since day 1 and MTF in my primary like AKA. I only put the MTF in the primary this week as I had an annoyin noise at high revs. Adjusted the clutch and no noise anymore........
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cheers
Yob
what is the difference between ATF and MTL? .... heard that ATF gets a little aerated!!!!
I use Redline 20w 50w (or could be 60w? ) in the motor Heavy Shockproof in gearbox, but in the primary i have always used ATF TypeF my bike is drag raced a lot , it's a twin cam 01 model and has over 80,000k have ridden interstate to race a few times. and still have original gear box and alternator and primary chain. i just change the ATF in primary regular it's cheap i get Valvoline.
i think the importer for Redline is in WA .
Decided to drop a line to Redline in Australia and received this reply.................. together with attachments which I have converted to jpeg. Hope they are readable.....................
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Question: I am using Redline ATF in my primary on a 2007 Dyna Street Bob (Harley), whereas I note many other people are using MTL!!! Are you able to tell me the difference? One thought I have is that ATF might aerate more. Look forward to your comments.
Answer: Red Line High Temp ATF is our recommended fluid in the primary drive of a 2008 Dyna Street Bob. I have attached a recommendation guide and you can see that we really only call for MTL in the primary in the V-rods although you could say the XL Series Sportsters also use it, as their primary is combined with their transmission which does use MTL.
You don't want an oil that foams (aerates) as this puts air bubbles into the oil that are incapable of keeping metal to metal apart and hinder the oil's ability to transfer heat. All of Red Line oils have the highest heat transfer capability - see attachment. If you have used an oil in the past that "aerates" in your bike - I recommend you don't use it again as it indicates a lack of decent anti-foaming chemistry and will result in the bike running hot.
In answer to your question about the difference between MTL and our ATFs - here is a brief description. Many manufacturers call for ATFs in manual transmission applications because it allows a smoother gear shift which is what the customer wants to see. The downside and what you can't see is that ATFs don't contain the protection that a specific manual tranmission oil contains in order to keep metal to metal gearteeth apart. So the manufacturer chooses between poor gearshift but gearteeth protection OR good gearshift and no gearteeth protection (which most customers won't know about- at least until out of warranty period when the gearbox may need rebuilding).
In the case of Red Line there is a special advantage using our ATFs where the manufacturer calls for it under warranty. Common ATFs only have a rating equivelant of a GL2. (Dont worry about what this means). Red Line ATFs have a rating of GL4 which is the same rating as what gear oil manufacturers make their specific manual transmission oils to be. This means that Red Line ATFs give a significantly higher protection when used in manual transmissions because the manufacturer demands ATF for warranty servicing. In some situations, if you are out of warranty concerns, you could upgrade to Red Line MTL. This is a GL4 manual transmission oil (also has hydraulic capbilites) that gives specific gearteeth protection and has a light flow similar to ATF fluids.
Hope this hasn't proved too confusing. As a word of advise, don't trust what you read on forums in regards to what others may or may not be using. I have come across 16 year oil kids having great pleasure messing about in technical forums, using appropriate terms which makes them sound authentic and they don't even have a license! I have attached our current recommendation guide - feel free to email this onto to any other Harley mates so they get the correct recommendations.
Heavy shockproof gear oil in the gearbox.
Been using it since my 1997 Evo softail, and I put it into lots of other guys bikes that I service.
MTL in the primary
HD 20W-60 in the engine oil tank
All available from Perthwide Coventry's outlets.
I use the Wangara branch myself.
'Phone them first to make sure they have your combo in.
If they haven't thay have it sent out on the regular van delivery the same morning or arvo.
As you've said, it's FONKIN' pricey
Don't seem to have dropped on cost since the Aussie dollar went ballistic either !!
WHAT'S UP WITH THAT ??
gmeikle, I am just curious as to why you go to the expense of using Redline for the tranny and the primary..... but use HD 20W-60 for the motor?
Also, do you use 20W-60 year round or just summer?
Thanks in advance for helping to educate this young bloke
Ahhh sorry - I thought the HD meant it was Harley brand oil.....
Thanks again for the advice, and I will make sure I drink the beer while putting oil in the motor.
Cheers, berms
