I am looking at parts to put my bike back on the road and was wondering if the triple trees available on Epay with rake built into them were legal or not - anyone know ???? And if they are and I bought a set of 3 degree ones how much longer do the fork tubes need to be ???

 Cheers.

i ran 3deg with 4" over on a 98 train , was ok , just remember they can be a death sentence

ull need to check ur trail 4 sure

trail cal www.rbracing-rsr.com/rakeandtrail.html

Triple Trees and Frame Geometry

This month we are going to discuss some basics of frame geometry and the difficulty that arises with the use of raked triple trees.

So that everyone has the basics we are going to define a number of terms and explain them.

What is Rake? Rake is the angle of the steering head measured in degrees from a line 90 degrees to the ground. The next term we need to understand is “trail”. Trail is the distance between an imaginary line drawn trough the steering head to the ground and a line straight down from the axle (See figure 1).

Trail is what gives us our handling characteristics of our motorcycle. The more trail we have the better our bike handles in a straight line at the cost of low speed turning ability. The less trail we have gives us very responsive low speed handling at the penalty of twitchy higher speed response. Let’s think about different ways to change rake and trail. Most Harley® riders make changes in their bikes rake without realizing it. One of the most common modifications to our bikes is to lower the rear end. As the rear of the bike goes down the steering head angle steepens increasing the rake and trail. A change in wheel overall diameter like a 21 to a 19 will lower the front axle, lessening the steering head angle reducing rake and trail. Increasing fork tube length will increase rake and trail, but a front end lowering kit by itself will decrease it. Stock HD® front ends come with various rakes from 28 to 33 degrees. A good handling bike for highway use will have 2.5 to 6 inch trail.

There are two other things that affect our geometry. Offset, which is the distance the for  k tube centerlines share in relation to the steering head centerline. And the infamous “raked triple tree”, that has the fork tubes mounted in the trees at an angle to the steering post. A lot of people call J&P Cycles® and ask us to sell them raked trees. Because of the desire to create a cool look without the hassle of cutting your frame and changing the steering head angle, lots of folks inquire about this dangerous piece of equipment. Right about now, I can hear a bunch of boos and hisses but I’ll explain why. Before we start on raked tree, let’s study how offset affects us. The steering head is in a relatively fixed position for us. To achieve the maximum trail for a give rake ideally our tubes would be in line and parallel to the steering head. This would however give us clearance problems with our fuel tank and possibly limit our turning radius. By moving the fork tubes in front of the steering head, we give ourselves more room but at the cost of decreased trail. This happens because the axle is closer to the point the line intersects the ground (See figure 2).

Now that is covered, let’s tackle raked trees. Once again, our steering head angle is fixed. Raked trees move the axle closer to that imaginary line through the steering head, reducing trail. Combined with extended fork tubes, we can archive neutral trail or possibly even negative trail (See figure 3).

Remember back in earlier in our essay that for good highway handling, we need specific trail numbers? With a raked tree, it’s easy to get outside that guideline and become an accident waiting to happen. The most common result is a high speed wobble or worse, a tank slapper. For those of you that have not experienced this terrifying effect, take my word for it, that it’s not a pleasant thing to have occur. Some of our most experienced riders (readers) may point out that “Mother Harley®” produced a variable raked tree. These trees where designed for the rider that had a sidecar. The trees had two positions. With the hack in place, the trees where extended to the raked position. This helped the sidecars stability. When the sidecar was removed, the trees where returned to the original de-raked position.

So what’s the bottom line? Triple trees that have rake built into them beyond 3 degrees are not the solution. The correct way to modify the rake on your scooter is to change the steering head angle. Either by raising or lowering the rear, adding length to the tubes or finding a competent welder to cut it and weld it back up. These ways have been done many times over the years, with few ill effects.

 Cheers Bacamick, found that website yesterday when looking for info on this - without the bike in front of me I cant check it so will just stick with stock ones for now  I think.

 Doubt they would be legal anyway and the bike needs to go through licencing  - we all know what fun that can be........

Great Info Mick.

Very interesting to learn about that Cheers

adelaide is 550mm from axel centre to neck centre, ive heard its the same aust wide , check with ur local

98 night train with 3deg trees and 4" overs 21" wheel  = 545mm,  and 1 1/4" trail,  verry floaty over 150kph , it improved slightly after putting a 200mm tyre on

 Cheers again Mick, ended up going with stock angle trees and 2inch over tubes.